ICannotDiscloseMyIdentity
Nov 10 2009, 12:45 PM
A self-employed individual has a net earned income of $100,000 (after subtracting 1/2 SE tax)
Their DB contribution requirement is $90,000.
Can they defer $16,500 into the 401(k) plan, or are they limited to $10,000?
Assume no employer contribution to the DC plan.
David MacLennan
Nov 10 2009, 03:01 PM
$10,000 - because of the 415(c) limit. Also, makes no difference if there are catch-up deferrals because of 414(v)(2)(A). I believe this is poorly understood and when I last checked a few yrs ago some software vendors don't follow this and allow 401k deferrals when they should not, even in a DC only plan w/o the DB plan complication.
ScottR
Nov 11 2009, 08:54 AM
Their DEDUCTION is limited to $100k. So there would be no point in depositing a "salary deferral" of more than $10k.
.. Scott
ICannotDiscloseMyIdentity
Nov 11 2009, 11:06 AM
Agreed - Thank you!
David MacLennan
Nov 11 2009, 02:05 PM
Scott, conceptually I think you are mistaken. It's not the deduction that is limited. 404n trumps 404a8C. It's the 415 limit that is relevant here.
ScottR
Nov 12 2009, 10:25 AM
Don't think so. 404(n) applies to paragraphs 3, 5, and 7 of 404(a). The limit of deductions for self-employed individuals is contained in 404(a)(8).
.. S
David MacLennan
Nov 19 2009, 10:55 AM
My bad. I had thought 404(n) completely overrode other sections.
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