AJM 34
Apr 18 2007, 08:30 PM
I want to learn how to manually calculate a New Comparbility P/S formula.
Can anyone share with me a sample Excel Spreadsheet, or point me in the right direction as to how to go about a New Comparbility P/S formula.
Sincerely, AJM
Tom Poje
Apr 19 2007, 06:05 AM
I will assume what you mean is "How do you calculate an E-Bar"
suppose a 60 year old receives a $40,000 and deposits that money in a bank at 8.5% interest.
The money would grow as follows
Age 61 = 40,000 * 1.085 = 43,400
Age 62 = 43,400 * 1.085 = 47,089
Age 63 = 47,089 * 1.085 = 51,091
Age 64 = 51,092 * 1.085 = 55,434
Age 65 = 55,434 * 1.085 = 60,146
So at retirement she will have a little over $60,000
Mathematically speaking, this could be written as
40,000 * (1.085^5) or contribution * 1.oI ^ (yrs to retirement) where I = interest between 7.5 and 8.5
in this example she had 5 years to retirement.
instead of taking a lump sum at age 65, she gets an annuity. the APR fo 1983 IAF at 8.5% is 115.39
so 60,146 / 115.39 = 521.24 this would be her monthly benefit for the rest of her life.
or put another way 521.24 * 12 = 6254.88 a year.
if she made 200,000 then what % of pay is that? simply 6254.88 / 200,000 or 3.127
that is her E-BAR.
AJM 34
Apr 19 2007, 09:03 AM
Thank you Tom for the very detailed response on how to calculate an E-Bar.
How did you come up with the APR for 1983 IAF at 8.5% as 115.39?
Can you tell me the table that you referenced?
Thank you, Anthony
Tom Poje
Apr 19 2007, 09:33 AM
the Actuaries decided what APR values are. I think they make them up to suit their fancy.
the figure I gave was for a monthly annuity, I suppose sometimes it might be shown as 9.615 (1/12 of 115.39) if determining things on an annual basis.
maybe Mr. Preston or one of the other acuary gurus from the dark side of DB can describe.
Mike Preston
Apr 19 2007, 11:41 AM
Very funny, Tom.
The calculation of an "annuity purchase rate" is not very complicated, but it does involve a fair amount of number crunching. Many people have spreadsheets that allow one to enter the mortality factors (the probability of death at each age) into a column on a spreadsheet and then, given a specific age and a specific interest rate, determine the appropriate annuity purchase rate.
Their spreadsheets will all require updating once the new rules which require multiple interest rates come into effect.
I have an Excel add-in that allows one to enter a simple formula into a cell and have that cell populated with an APR. Something like:
=slaapr(65,"83IAM-F",8.5%) and the cell is then populated with 115.38701 (you can round to two decimals if you prefer).
I talk about the add-in only to describe how I have implemented the generation of APR's for my firm and to note that there are other alternatives than the typical approach of including a mortality table in each workbook.
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