Lisha
Sep 12 2004, 03:14 PM
After reaching retirement age, select employees and directors (some of whom were outside directors) are going to receive monthly distributions from a general company account (not a qualified plan). We would like to know if these individuals are to receive W-2s or 1099s to reflect the amounts?
Could someone provide some guidance on when a W-2 is appropriate, and when a 1099 is appropriate.
Also, where can we find the official word on the correct document to issue?
Thank you.
Jimmy
Sep 23 2004, 03:19 PM
Why wouldn't a director (even a director who is not an employee) just get a W-2 like any other participant?
Lori Friedman
Sep 23 2004, 04:23 PM
Is the paying entity a for-profit business? I believe that all of the distributions, including payments to former nonemployees, get reported on Form W-2. You report the amount in Box 1 and again in Box 11. As far as I know, Form 1099-R is used only to report distributions to decedents' beneficiaries. Does anybody out there have different information?
Are you working with a tax-exempt organization? If yes, then you have some more complicated issues to consider long before you start to prepare any forms.
RCK
Sep 24 2004, 04:40 PM
The instructions to the 2004 W-2 say that distributions from NQ plans are to be reported in Box 1 and Box 11. (Bottom right of Page 8. I'd include a link but . . . .)
RCK
pax
Sep 24 2004, 04:52 PM
My read of the W2 instructions
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/iw2w3.pdfindicates prominent use of the word "employee". If Directors are employees, then perhaps the W2 is the appropriate form; however, that is not my understanding of the relationship between company and director.
Perhaps a 1099MISC ?
mbozek
Sep 27 2004, 09:09 AM
Outside directors are independent contractors who receive 1099s not w-2 because there is no income or FICA witholding on the payments. NQ plan payments to employees are reported as W-2 income. Reg. 35-3405-1T A-18.
Lori Friedman
Sep 27 2004, 01:45 PM
The instructions to Form 1099-MISC answer our question about NDCA payments to a nonemployee director:
Directors' fees. You must report directors' fees and other renumeration, including payments made after retirement, on Form 1099-MISC in the year paid. Report them in Box 7.
Kirk Maldonado
Sep 27 2004, 02:46 PM
mbozek:
In the case of a former employee who didn't receive any other income from the empoyee in a subsequent year, would you also issue that person a Form W-2?
That seems inconsistent with the position asserted in Revenue Ruling 71-52, but I don't know whether the IRS has formally abandoned the position taken way back then.
Lori Friedman
Sep 28 2004, 04:40 PM
Kirk, you might want to take a look at Notice 2001-14, which obsoleted Rev. Rul. 71-52.
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