dmb
Oct 18 2001, 04:00 PM
If a particpant in a DB planis in a coma, what is the procedure as far as getting the participant to waive the J&S for distribution purposes?? The spouse would like to roll the money from the plan. Does she need power of atty?? or a court order?? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
QDROphile
Oct 19 2001, 02:25 PM
What did the plan say when you asked it this question?
crosseyetester
Jun 14 2007, 07:58 PM
This seemed about the best lead I could find for my question....
The participant's spouse is the one in a coma with no POA. The participant would like to begin benefits as a single life form of benefit. How would the participant get spousal consent to do this?
J Simmons
Jun 14 2007, 08:41 PM
A court appointed conservator for the comatose spouse should be able to give the consent, particularly if it is not the participant him/herself.
Fiduciary Guidance Counsel
Jun 15 2007, 06:46 PM
If the person whose consent is called for is “legally incompetent”, ERISA and the Internal Revenue Code do not preclude a plan from recognizing a guardian’s act as the spouse’s consent, even if the electing participant is the spouse’s guardian. 26 C.F.R. § 1.401(a)-20/Q&A-27. Under a U.S. government-organization plan, the Treasury department’s interpretation also is relevant concerning ERISA § 205. 43 Federal Register 47713 (August 10, 1978).
Even if a plan is ERISA-governed, a guardian’s authority is grounded on State law. A guardian must act in the best interests of his or her ward. A guardian serves under a court’s supervision (at least indirectly), and must account for his or her actions. Further, some guardianship decisions require a court’s approval before the guardian implements the decision. Depending on the powers granted and other State law, the guardian might need to persuade a court that choosing against a survivor annuity is the ward’s best interest.
Mike Preston
Jun 18 2007, 09:13 AM
Besides the very practical answer that I would be worried if a plan insisted on a J&S benefit of any kind, as the life expectancy of this individual is far less than what a normal life expectancy would be and the reduction under the terms of the plan would be very, very suspect. At least, I wouldn't want to be the fiduciary that went down the path of approving that form of benefit.
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