Brutally messed up takeover plan. "Less than competent" actuary that nobody has ever heard of. Refuses so far to acknowledge requests for correction of blatant Schedule B errors. Insists that it is ok to compute current liability using sex neutral tables (plan is 95% female to top it off). On and on and on.

Has not signed anything recently with his enrollment number on it. Hmmm.

Is there a fairly quick way of confirming (current and past) enrollment?

The SOA maintains a list of all enrolled actuaries.

Enrolled Actuary directory

Thanks, Effen, but not everybody is on that directory. I know many (non-SOA EA's) that are not (at least a couple of regulars to this Board included).

p.s. There is no Effen listed either!

From the IRS website: http://www.irs.gov/taxpros/actuaries/artic...=123390,00.html

How can I find out whether a practitioner is an enrolled actuary in good standing with the Joint Board?
To find out whether a practitioner is an enrolled actuary, you may contact us at:

Joint Board for the Enrollment of Actuaries
Internal Revenue Service
SE:OPR
1111 Constitution Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20224
Phone: (202) 622-8229
Fax: (202) 622-8300

Perfect, thank you.

Really? Actually, I thought every actuary was listed on that site. I am not an SOA member, but I am listed, but not as Effen.

I would be surprised if an EA is not in that data base, they are all suppose to be there. I would be interested to know if they were an EA, but not listed in the SOA's list.

If you are only an Enrolled Actuary (i.e., not a member of any other organization such as SOA, AAA, CCA, CAS, etc.), your name will not appear in the on-line actuarial directory.

Many years ago, an annual Enrolled Actuaries Directory had been published. But I have not seen one in years, nor have been able to find one on-line.

The SOA list is not complete.

The Joint Board is the definitive source.

However, you should also consider referral to the ABCD if you suspect bad behavior by the
individual. It is important that you do not harm the taxpayer by taking this to the Joint Board
unless you have given full client disclosure and obtained their permission. Their problem is
confidential to them if past tax filings were in error.

If your client wants a clear conscience and to avoid the worry of audit roulette, then you will
advise them of the voluntary compliance possibilities.

A complaint can come later if appropriate and desired by the client.

At this point fact gathering is appropriate and current standing is a relevant fact to be gathered under these particular circumstances.

I have just returned from the Enrolled Actuaries meetings and would emphasize what So Cal Actuary suggested: this should be referred to the ABCD (Actuarial Board for Counseling and Discipline). A summary of the problems and your attempts at resolution with the prior actuary should be sent to them along with a copy of the defective Schedule(s) B.
With respect to bringing the Schedule B(s) into compliance, the new actuary should know how to handle the situation; we discussed it in a couple of sessions at the EA meetings and the answer was the same as it has been for years. There is no limit on what can be attached to the Schedule B the new EA signs, including recapping the history, alternative calculation of credit balance carryover, etc.

Just to add to that, since you can never change assumptions on an amended Sch. B, Jim Holland said that if the new actuary was amending the prior actuaries Sch B (because the prior refused to do it or was dead), the new actuary must use the prior actuaries assumptions. If the new actuary was not comfortable signing a schedule B based on the prior actuaries assumptions, an unsigned sch B c/b submitted with an attachment describing the situation.

Maybe think of this as a large footnote to the sch B the new actuary will be signing - I said this, not Jim.

The AAA sells a comprehensive "directory of actuarial memberships" which includes ALL actuaries, whether or not enrolled and lists the associations they belong to, if any.

Thanks for the comments. We're aware of much of this and were represented at the EA conference so we'll make use of that information.

Cynical me has one more comment though. What is the under/over on a return of a phone call from the phone # above? Over is looking good.

A return call from the Joint Board? They will call you back. I have had very good luck. You can also email them. I had to check on someone last year and they emailed me back the same day.

30 hours and counting.

My experience is that the callback from the JBEA will be somewhere between 1 and 30 days.

But if you call them every day, sooner or later, someone there will pay attention.

With respect to notifying the ABCD, remember the ABCD has no jurisdiction over people who are NOT members of at least one of the actuarial organizations covered by ABCD.

and the answer is .......

4 business days (with an apology and explanation)

The mention of an apology etc makes me wonder if this thread expedited or influenced the speed of the response.

I was wondering whether the construction on your websites would be fiinished before I heard back.

Now the rest of us would like to know the answer you received. Is the person
currently enrolled? Do they have any disciplinary issues pending?
Did you initiate an issue by questioning their ability to perform their professional duty?

Currently enrolled and in good standing was what I was told. That was all I asked. That was useful information because we were puzzled by a lack of recently signed forms and an apparent reluctance to correct obvious errors.

AndyH

Going live with those websites has been delayed at the request of a few "marketing" partners. Depending on final contract terms they desire to have some input (for legal compliance etc) and links etc.

It is nice to know that at least 1 person is in supense or at least noticed.

Just noticed the following site for searching for actuaries enrollment and memberships. You may have to create an identity (free) to use it:

Actuarial Search

Full circle! I guess what goes around, comes around.

The link provided by vebaguru is the online Actuarial Directory. You do not need an "identity" to use it. Just click "Search the Directory".

OK - but it still does not list all enrolled actuaries.