Effen
Dec 29 2003, 02:17 PM
I know that you can not tie a defined benefit accrual to participation in a 401(k) plan (1.401-1(e)(6)), but I couldn't find anything specifically precluding it with a 403(b) Plan.
In other words, can I have a defined benefit formula that is partially tied to participation in a 403(b) Plan? ie: 1% of compensation per year of service, plus .5% per year of service if contributing to the 403(b) plan
IRC401
Jan 4 2004, 07:26 PM
Yes, the client may do it (subject to the plan's complying with 401(a)(4)), but why?
I strongly recommend explaining to the client all of the nondiscrimination testing issues (and associated fees) that go with that type of plan design. It would also be a good idea to discuss the plan design with the actuary.
MWeddell
Jan 5 2004, 08:44 AM
I've seen this plan design a few times. In essence, it's communicated as a match where the additional benefit is provided in the pension plan, but it's subject to 401(a)(4) not 401(m) testing. It only makes sense for large employers -- otherwise the actuarial and administrative issues it introduces offset any advantages.
Effen
Jan 5 2004, 03:47 PM
That is exactly what they were doing - using a cash balance plan as a vehicle to provide a match from a 403(b) plan.
It just seems strange that 401(k)s and 403(b)s are so similar, yet this tactic is expressly forbidden in 401(k)s and permitted in 403(b)s. It just doesn't make any sense.
QUOTE (Effen @ Jan 5 2004, 03:47 PM)
It just doesn't make any sense.
We are talking about the Internal Revenue Code, aren't we?
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